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PostSubject: Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling    Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling  EmptyFri Jun 29, 2012 6:47 am

Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven.

These three cards can all negate a Special Summon. However, what most people either don't know, or forget, is that they all say "when your opponent would Special Summon a monster". This means, that unlike Solemn Warning, these cards can only negate inherent summons. These are summons that are not done by an effect, but by a condition. The most known card for inherent summons is "Cyber Dragon". Cyber Dragon's card text says :
If your opponent controls a monster and you control no monsters, you can Special Summon this card (from your hand).
This is a condition. Meaning, the three cards I named can negate his Special Summon. Also note, that Synchro and Xyz summons are inherent summons as well.
Fusions and Rituals on the other hand are Summoned by cards (Polymerization and Ritual Spells).
And since the three cards do not say they can negate the activation of a Spell or Trap card that summons something, Rai-oh, Black Horn and Judgment cannot negate these Summons.
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PostSubject: Re: Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling    Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling  EmptyFri Jun 29, 2012 1:15 pm

Judgement can however negate the activation of spells and traps so it should be able to negate Reborn and the rest of them.
Please correct me if I am wrong.
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dats correct judgement negates reborn,call of the haunted, its basically negates any summon wheter it be flip-summon or special summon and it negates any spell or trap
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PostSubject: Re: Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling    Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling  EmptySat Jun 30, 2012 6:51 am

correct biff. Judgment can negate the card that summons, but not the summon itself.
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PostSubject: Re: Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling    Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling  EmptySat Jun 30, 2012 9:10 am

C.C. wrote:
correct biff. Judgment can negate the card that summons, but not the summon itself.

Thusly by negating the card they do not get the summon.
Unfortunatly none of these can negate Damage Step summons either.
Like Mystic Tomato or Gorz
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PostSubject: Re: Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling    Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling  EmptySat Jun 30, 2012 11:58 am

yea i hate it when ppl try to solemn my stardust or treeborn frog and i say u cnt do dat but i love it dat u can solemn gorz,trag, or a special summon of a monster in DMG step also we need to discuss the 7 phases in the Battle Phase
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PostSubject: Re: Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling    Solemn Judgment, Thunder King Rai-Oh and Black Horn of Heaven Ruling  EmptyMon Jul 02, 2012 8:02 am

that's why Warning is still a very usefull card, even with Priority gone and bottomless going up.
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